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#200
gobardown wrote:What league are you referring to?

here in OMHA land ... things may run a bit differently. My son's team has 6 of 17 kids with a parent on team management. And then you factor in friends of the coach and assistant coaches and there aren't quite as many open spots come tryouts. For the kids who played on the current year's team, the coach already knows who he wants returning to his team next year. You have to be a complete standout at tryouts to fight for the few open spots.

Tryouts are not quite fair for the kids who show up thinking there are 15 spots open.


Similar story here in NYHL; however, I think Steve is saying that the spots that are left are offered in a fair and objective way.
#201
As sports get more competitive tryouts have to be objective because there is more pressure to have a better team. If a coach promises spots to mediocre kids just because he's promised spots, you can be sure that the coach won't be there for very long. Also, as the kids advance, more often then not, you are dealing with non-parent coaches. These coaches are paid; paid to win - not to make friends (although good coaches will develop friendships and respect).
#313
Objective? Yes (coaches want to find good players).
Fair? No.
In the GTHL the spring try outs are a farce. "Illegal" birthday skates/recruiting skates are rampant in the regular season. Kids are guaranteed spots on a new team before being released from their previous team. Parents who wait until the end of the regular season (mid-Feb) to contact coaches are told to come back the next November. Kids who show up to spring try outs without having started the 'back room' recruitment process the previous fall are SOL. I hear the same stories over and over.
This spring has been particularly shameful. Reports are wide spread of A and AA teams that signed their roster before holding a single try out skate. Many parents who called teams to ask about openings were told to not bother showing up because the roster was full. Worse many kids paid to go on the ice for try outs only to find out the team had already been signed. One coach quietly moved half a team over to a different club (leaving the other half of the team to fold) - a move of that scale is not just a coincidence.
Why pretend that try out skates are actually used to recruit players? Farcical try outs are discouraging for both players and their families, regardless what level the kids play at.
Why not have an open skate system for each division (A, AA, AAA) that players looking for the opportunity to try out or move up could register for? Kids could skate, get a ranking, and coaches looking for new players could attend the skates or use the ranking to go scout players. Better yet coaches could also register how many spots they think they'd like to fill.
A rule book with unenforced rules is laughable and really penalties have never been good deterrents. It encourages "sneaking around" which in turn fosters mistrust and dampens communication. A proactive approach that encourages development (e.g. rewards or incentives for team/clubs that move kids up to the next division), and a recruiting/contact/selection process that encourages transparency would be far more effective.
The GTHL and other OHF organizations have both the manpower and the resources to develop and implement a better system if only they put a little effort in to make it better.
#314
"Similar story here in NYHL; however, I think Steve is saying that the spots that are left are offered in a fair and objective way.[/quote]"

Why is there a "similar story" in Select/House League??? It's house league. Coaches need to go back and read the GTHL and NYHL rule books and mission statements regarding equal ice time, fair play, and development for Select/house league. People are losing site of the goal of community hockey programs.
#317
qwerty0987 wrote:"Similar story here in NYHL; however, I think Steve is saying that the spots that are left are offered in a fair and objective way.
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Why is there a "similar story" in Select/House League??? It's house league. Coaches need to go back and read the GTHL and NYHL rule books and mission statements regarding equal ice time, fair play, and development for Select/house league. People are losing site of the goal of community hockey programs.[/quote]

Is Select considered a community hockey program? Not too sure about that.

However, yes, people do seem to be losing site of what House League is supposed to be.
#324
"Is Select considered a community hockey program? Not too sure about that."

Please refer to Section 17.1 of the GTHL Rulebook which defines the role of "House League" and "House League Select".

17.1 – House League Guidelines
The purpose of this Article is to establish operating guidelines for House League Organizations in order to ensure the integrity and success of their house league and house league select programmes... These guidelines also reflect the distinction made by the League between House League Select Programs and competitive programs.
17.4 – Philosophy Related to House League Select Programs
The House League Select Program is a hockey program that is based in the House League and should be an extension of that program. Players and their families that choose to participate in a House League Select Program do so because it reflects the attitudes and community affiliation of the House League to which they belong and in which they participate. Therefore, the focus of a House League Select Program should not be to emulate higher levels of competitive hockey (A and above), but to offer the values of House League programs to a group of House League players participating in an advanced program.

I've heard Select coaches trying to tell players to not move into Rep hockey because "Select is just as good" or worse "you risk being a bench warmer in A/AA". (Select and Rep are not equivalent levels of play and Rep coaches do not waste their time with bench warmers). House League Select is an excellent place for hockey players who want to start building their hockey skills and there are good players who play in House League Select . However, coaches should not strive to hold on to a winning team by preventing players from moving to Rep hockey or by excluding opportunities for new players. A good coach looks to build players to the point where they can advance and find them opportunities to move up.
#329
qwerty0987 wrote:I've heard Select coaches trying to tell players to not move into Rep hockey because "Select is just as good" or worse "you risk being a bench warmer in A/AA". (Select and Rep are not equivalent levels of play and Rep coaches do not waste their time with bench warmers). House League Select is an excellent place for hockey players who want to start building their hockey skills and there are good players who play in House League Select . However, coaches should not strive to hold on to a winning team by preventing players from moving to Rep hockey or by excluding opportunities for new players. A good coach looks to build players to the point where they can advance and find them opportunities to move up.


Well said.
#605
It has been my experience that tryouts are NOT fair and my son DID make the team. We saw standout players are the tryouts that did not make the team because the spots on the team were taken by team managements kids and their friends. We had a goalie on the team that let in 3 goals in the first 3 minutes of play (she was daughter of coach of another team in the league). We had a child on the team who had to steady himself on the ice with his stick so he didn't fall (his Dad was good friends with our coach). We had another child who couldn't skate backwards (again, his parent was a friend of team management). After our 5th game of the season playing other AAA teams and getting demolished our team manager began to cancel our AAA games and book B and AA games (and we continued to get demolished). We lost 28 games this season and won 1. My position is that if the evaluators had picked the team based on skill (rather than friendships/connections), the season would have been more successful and the children would have had more fun. It must be frustrating getting demolished game after game.
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